How often do you think about your future self? Do you have habits and mindsets that are leading you toward that ideal future self?
The fact that we as humans are always changing and never static can be a freeing realization. I am not the same person I was last week or even yesterday because of a thing called โgain.โ
I have gained experiences, wisdom, perspective, and even life skills that are helping me develop into a new (and hopefully) improved human being over time.
Todayโs guest believes wholeheartedly that no matter what traumas have happened to you in life, there is a way to look at every experience and gain something positive from it. These positive gains can help you and others become victorious over circumstances and allow you to move fully into your future selves.
I had a great conversation with organizational psychologist Dr. Benjamin Hardy. In this episode, we discuss how to overcome trauma and use it for growth, why you should make plans on behalf of your future self, how to reshape your identity if youโre feeling stuck, why willpower isnโt enough when it comes to achieving your goals, how to prevent yourself from burning out in your work, and so much more!
Who Is Dr. Benjamin Hardy?
Dr. Benjamin Hardy is an organizational psychologist and best-selling author of the books Willpower Doesnโt Work and Personality Isnโt Permanent. His blogs on productivity and psychology have been read by over 100 million people and featured in the Harvard Business Review, the New York Times, on CNBC, and many others.
He co-authored Who Not How with Dan Sullivan, which sold over 120,000 copies in the first four months of publication. Their second book titled, The Gap and The Gain: The High Achieverโs Guide to Happiness, Confidence, and Success was released in October 2021.
His blogs have been read by over 100 million people and are featured on Harvard Business Review, the New York Times, Forbes, Fortune, CNBC, and many others. For several years, he was also the #1 most-read writer on Medium.com. He and his wife Lauren have six children and live in Orlando, Florida.
We started off our conversation with something called post-traumatic growth, and when you understand the concept, itโs life-changing. Letโs dive in!
What Is Post-Traumatic Growth?
None of us come through this life unscathed, and all of us have experienced a level of trauma in some shape or form. However, we can choose to depart from those experiences with a perspective of growth or a perspective of lack or disorder.
โI think that if you approach every experience as learning, and if you take your experiences and value them and increase the value of them and know that your experiences are kind of like clay, then you can form them, shape them, and do whatever you want with them.โ – Dr. Benjamin Hardy
Dr. Hardy explains that you can do whatever you want with your experiences. You can learn more from them, increase the value of them, and be better off because of them.
โI can be grateful for my experiences, or I can be worse off because of my experiences and let my experiences be the driver of my life rather than me being the driver of my own experience, and so I don’t think that there’s any experience you can have that you can’t be better off without if you choose to contextualize them in a way that benefits you and makes you better.โ – Dr. Benjamin Hardy
How empowering is that? You get to decide what your past means, what that experience means, and how much value you are going to give to that experience.
Dr. Hardy admitted that he wouldnโt have become a psychologist if it hadnโt been for his experiences growing up in a broken home. Now, he is grateful for those experiences and the journey they led him on.
Itโs like that popular quote, โChange is inevitable, but growth is optional.โ You can choose to believe that, because of your experiences, you are now more capable than your former self.
This is opposite from a fixed mindset in which people are overly defiant about their current selves and think that this is who they are and will always be, nothing is going to change. Such people create self-fulfilling prophecies when they think that way.
โTheir identity is very rooted in their present or their past whereas, in a growth mindset, their identity is more rooted in their future. They have a more flexible identity. They’re not as caught up in who they are today. They donโt need to have all the answers today. They understand that their current self is temporary.โ – Dr. Benjamin Hardy
Dr. Hardy says that people, in general, are not really good about setting their future selves up for success, like planning retirement and college funds and the like. But anytime you invest in your future self, it actually gets a little bigger, and your present actually gets better. The same area that allows you to have empathy for other people actually allows you to have empathy toward your future self.
So how do we live with our future selves in mind?
Current Self vs. Future Self
Dr. Hardy has done a lot of research on the โfuture selfโ and identity. Identity is basically what youโre most committed to in terms of your beliefs, values, and how you define yourself. For instance, Dr. Hardy committed 100% to the idea that his future self was a writer, and now he has published a handful of books. He began to identify with being a writer, and his behavior then followed that 100% commitment. Amazing.
There are a few points we explored in this conversation about our future selves and identity:
- The goal always shapes the strategy.
Your identity is what you’re 100% committed to, and what you’re 100% committed to reflects your current results. So, if you want better results, you have to genuinely look at yourself and admit that there might be part of your identity or even part of your process that is keeping you where youโre at. - Approach motivation versus avoidance motivation
Approach motivation is simply focusing on what you want, and avoidance motivation is avoiding what you donโt want. Itโs important to focus on what you want and invest in that. When you start to invest in that, you have ownership over it. You start to be very gracious and flexible toward your current self and get genuine feedback along the way. - Create your own measuring points.
A beginning point to being in the game โ or even getting to know yourself โ is to stop measuring yourself against ideals and start deciding on your own internal reference points. If youโre always starting from the vantage point that youโre not where you should be according to your ideal, then youโre trying to fix something thatโs not really broken. Itโs time to create new measuring points unique to you and your journey.
- Think who, not how.
When it comes to accomplishing big goals, we need to be thinking about who can help us instead of how we are going to accomplish it all by ourselves. View other people as investments, not costs. If you want to free up your time to focus on the things youโre really good at, then you need to hire people to do things for you. Youโre also now invested in the result or outcome because you have money in the game. - Willpower Doesnโt Work
One aspect of willpower is called decision fatigue. This is the idea that the more options you’re trying to weigh, the more your willpower gets fried. So, you want to create an environment where you can make meaningful, committed decisions. Decision fatigue means you still havenโt made a choice, so decide to be 100% committed to something and move forward.
How to Avoid Burnout
Speaking of decision fatigue and fried willpower, there is a little thing that a lot of us struggle with and itโs called burnout.
โThere are a lot of reasons why people burn out. One of them is decision fatigue. Maybe theyโre still not really doing what they want to do, and so theyโre not really excited about what theyโre doing. โฆ If youโre moving towards your desired future self and working on projects that you love, youโre being pulled toward your future self. Pull motivation is a lot more exciting than push motivation.โ – Dr. Benjamin Hardy
So burnout is simply the recognition that maybe what youโre doing isnโt taking you toward your future self. Dr. Hardy suggests sitting down and writing in a journal and reevaluating your future self. Ask yourself who you really want to be. Start making small, simple investments into your future self so your future self keeps getting bigger.
Another cure for burnout is to take time to sit and measure your gains. Itโs a great way to remind yourself of how much progress youโve made.
โSometimes you just might need a break from your future self and just the constant striving. Sometimes you just need some active recovery. Actually, my favorite quote comes from Robert Brault. He said, โWeโre kept from our goal not by obstacles, but by a clear path to a lesser goal.โโ – Dr. Benjamin Hardy
Itโs time to start saying โnoโ to the lesser goals and โyesโ to the big goals that will pull you toward your future self and give you energy and joy. Once you do that, youโll be unstoppable!
Why You Should Listen to This Podcast Episode with Dr. Benjamin Hardy Right Nowโฆ
Guys, this interview is full of insight and perspective from my brilliant friend, Dr. Benjamin Hardy. Listen to the full episode for more, and don’t forget to share the episode with someone who needs to hear it: You could change someone’s life!
Follow Dr. Benjamin Hardy on social media (listed in the show notes below) and check out his website and YouTube to learn more about avoiding burnout and reshaping your identity (including your future self)!
I want to acknowledge Benjamin for consistently doing the work of being invested in your future and your current self as well as your family. High achievers sometimes miss out on the thing that theyโre creating right now, so I admire him for showing us how itโs possible to be healthy, have great relationships in your family, and also work towards your goals. Speaking of goals, I also really liked his definition of greatness:
โI think that greatness is being true to who you want your future self to be, you know, not chasing lesser goals, oncoming lesser goals, but just being. I think that that’s a good definition of success or greatness, is that you’re actually being true to the future self.โ – Dr. Benjamin Hardy
Friends, join me on Episode 1181 to learn about moving toward your future self, enjoying the present, and learning how to live your life to the fullest with Dr. Benjamin Hardy. It will change your perspective for the better and help you achieve more greatness in your life!
To Greatness,

Some Questions I Ask:
- Is there a process for post traumatic growth?
- What are the 3 main stages of life?
- What is the science behind our future selves planning?
- How do we shape our identity for our future self?
- What does a fixed identity look like?
- How do you find the why?
- How do people accomplish their goals when they are experiencing burnout?
In this episode, you will learn:
- How to overcome trauma and use it for growth.
- Why you should make plans on behalf of your future self.
- How to reshape your identity if youโre feeling stuck.
- Why willpower isnโt enough when it comes to achieving our goals.
- How to prevent yourself from burning out in your work.
- Plus much more…
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Dr. Benjamin Hardy