EP. 1791

06/30/25

Dr. Caroline Fleck

“You don’t squander your suffering. It’s not your shame, it’s not your dark place. It is your superpower.”

Stanford Psychologist: How To Turn Suffering Into Purpose, Strength & Healing

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Dr. Caroline Fleck transformed 10 years of depression into her greatest superpower. I connected with Caroline about her book “Validation” and discovered how she turned decades of mental health struggles, including breast cancer and multiple sclerosis, into profound tools for healing others. Her story reveals why traditional therapy failed her but electric shock therapy provided the breakthrough she needed. The most powerful moment came when she shared how her darkest experiences became the key to validating suicidal patients in ways no one else could. This conversation will transform how you view suffering and teach you why validation, not just love, creates real connection in relationships.

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"I think invalidation is the genesis of so much suffering, of anger, of war. We react violently, be it to ourselves or others when we don't feel accepted."
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Some Questions I Ask:

  • How do we turn suffering into purpose and into our strength?
  • What is that experience like going through breast cancer and chemotherapy?
  • Why are you glad you went through 10 years of depression?
  • How does someone start to take action when they’re suffering so much?
  • How much of suffering or depression stems from the way we think and how our mind works?
  • How do we rewire our brain to create a loop of thinking that is empowering versus disempowering?
  • If someone is suffering, how do we support them without trying to rescue and save?
  • What would you say is the biggest universal pain in the world?
  • How do you validate someone even if you don’t agree with their behaviors or life choices?

In this episode, you will learn:

  • How to transform your deepest suffering into your greatest superpower for helping others
  • How electric shock therapy saved Dr. Fleck when traditional methods failed
  • The difference between validation and love in relationships and why both are essential
  • Why validation is the universal antidote to the world’s greatest pain – invalidation
  • How to support someone who is suffering without enabling destructive behaviors
  • Plus much more…
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