EP. 832

08/05/19

Whitney Cummings

WE HAVE TO BE HONEST WITH OURSELVES.

Loving Yourself, Addiction and Creative Success

We learn a lot of coping mechanisms growing up. They help us get through tough times. But weโ€™re adults now, and so many of us are still carrying around coping mechanisms that are no longer needed. They can make us defensive, they can prevent us from developing healthy relationships, and they can hold us back from achieving our goals. 

Itโ€™s time to โ€œupdate our software.โ€ Our situation has changed. Weโ€™re adults, with the ability to protect ourselves and the freedom to make our own choices. Yet, our brain has stayed the same. 

Updating our software means working through our issues and not being afraid to change. In doing so, we can learn healthier ways to engage with the world and create a life we love. 

On todayโ€™s episode of The School of Greatness, I talk about letting go of the things that no longer serve us with world-famous comedian, Whitney Cummings. We also discuss codependency, reinventing yourself, and overcoming bad habits. Letโ€™s get started!  

Who Is Whitney Cummings?

Whitney Cummings is a stand-up comedian, actress, writer, and producer. She created the CBS sitcom โ€œ2 Broke Girls,โ€ the NBC sitcom โ€œWhitney,โ€ and the movie โ€œThe Female Brain.โ€ She was also a producer and writer for the ABC revival of โ€œRoseanne.โ€ 

Her credits also include one comedy album, three Comedy Central Roasts, and four stand-up specials, including her latest special, โ€œCan I Touch It?โ€ which premiered on Netflix in July 2019. Whitneyโ€™s comedic memoir, Iโ€™m Fine, and Other Lies was released in 2017.  In it, she recalls stories and mistakes that are โ€œway too embarrassing to tell on stage,โ€ but that offer an honest perspective of the human experience.

Whitney grew up in Washington D.C. in a dysfunctional home with alcoholic family members, where she learned about codependency โ€” a theme she brings up a lot in her book and stand-up. She was sent away at the age of 12 to Virginia to live with her aunt and returned to Washington D.C. to live with her parents when she was around 16. After high school, she studied acting at Washington D.C.โ€™s Studio Theater and interned at Washingtonโ€™s NBC-owned television station, WRC-TV. After graduating from the University of Pennsylvania, where she studied communications, she decided to depart from her journalistic aspirations and pursue a comedy career in Los Angeles.

The Comedy Rollercoaster

Whitney takes a lot of risks that don’t always get massive rewards, but that’s what has helped her grow, becoming braver, more curious, more exciting, and more adventurous throughout her career. For example, while her reboot of โ€œRoseanneโ€ got cut short without getting the full applause she was expecting, she never stopped creating. That resilience and risk-taking have gained her a lot of respect.

โ€œI know that we’re all on this quest to solve insecurity and make it all go away. But insecurity sometimes drives us to do good things and get better and work harder, you know? So I think insecurity can be good fuel. It took me a long time to embrace the fact that in standup, you succeed by failing over and over again. It’s like going to the gym. You’re not always going to have the killer day that you want to put on Instagram. Itโ€™s not about saying the thing thatโ€™s the funniest, itโ€™s saying the thing thatโ€™s the truest.โ€ โ€“Whitney Cummings

The key for Whitney, and for many comedians and creative people, is to just fail forward and keep persisting. Itโ€™s also important to understand the audience you are speaking to and to take lots of time to listen. Whitney explains the ups and downs of her chosen career. 

โ€œItโ€™s tricky because you think youโ€™re great, and then you have a bad couple of months and then you think you suck. And then you have nothing to lose, so then all of the sudden youโ€™re great one night just because you donโ€™t give a crap anymore. And then you go, โ€˜Oh, whoa, I was trying too hard and that was repellent to people.โ€™ So as soon as you stop giving a crap because you think you suck, is sometimes when you do your best work.โ€ โ€“Whitney Cummings

Whitney talks about how every city and venue is different, and every audience is also different, so you canโ€™t ever go into autopilot doing standup. Itโ€™s a conversation, not a monologue. She equates it to boxing: if youโ€™re a second ahead or a second behind, the jokeโ€™s not going to land. You need to listen and be aware. 

Whitneyโ€™s original career path was going to be journalism, which she says has some similarities to being a comedian, as both are โ€œcomplaining snitches that are obsessed with justice.โ€

โ€œI thought I was going to be a journalist because I was a seeker and I was curious and I was critical and I always wanted to get the dirt. And then, I was also a performer and I liked doing theater and plays. Then when I was with my friends, I would tell these really long, boring stories about how I hated that you can’t find your car in a parking lot, and I don’t like the ticketing system, and I didn’t realize what I was doing was standup. I was dancing around it and then someone one day โ€” I think just to get me to shut up โ€” was like, โ€˜You should try, stand up.โ€™โ€ โ€“Whitney Cummings

What she loves about standup is that she believes we all have more commonalities than we do differences, and standup is all about putting a bunch of strangers in a room and having them agree on something. Itโ€™s a way for her to be a peacemaker. 

The Early Years

Finding a place of peace for her audience comes from searching for peace as a child. Whitney grew up in a very dysfunctional family with divorce, alcoholism, and mental health issues. She has had to do a lot of self-healing to overcome the unhealthy habits she learned as a child, like anxiety, addiction, and codependency. 

โ€œI grew up in a home that was not harmonious, where there was a lot of discord and a lot of disagreement. And I always wanted to get everyone to agree and laugh. And it was always to sort of just manage tension. I thought if I could make this person laugh, maybe Christmas would be fun. You know? It was always just trying to manage people.โ€ โ€“Whitney Cummings

Whitneyโ€™s book title, Iโ€™m Fine, and Other Lies stems from these moments. Now, she says, there are so many more tools for parents, but back then there was a lot of passive-aggressive communication and parents saying โ€œeverything is fine,โ€ followed by a huge explosion of resentment. 

Whitneyโ€™s mother worked a full-time career while taking care of the kids, so she was under a tremendous amount of stress. 

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โ€œ[My mother] was up at 6:00 AM and she was home at 7:00 PM, and she brought me to work with her, but I just saw her trying to manage everything. And you know, it was always like, how do I just make things easier for everybody else? And the joke kind of, to me was like a magic trick. It was like, whoa, that was an easy way to get love; that was an easy way to cut some tension, so I learned how to make people laugh.โ€ โ€“Whitney Cummings

When Whitney was 12, she was acting out at home, so her parents sent her away to Virginia to live with her aunt for three years. There were some intense things happening at home with her parentโ€™s divorce, and it began to be too much for her parents to handle. She would see them on the weekends, and that was interesting for her, but she reflects back on that hard time with a positive outlook overall.

โ€œLooking back, I feel really lucky that I got to be exposed to so many different kinds of parents and caretakers and their flaws and their strengths. And you know, I grew up in D.C. and then I grew up in Virginia for a while, so I got the best of both worlds. And I think part of what makes me a good comedian is I’m not just from this elitist blue state. I got to see how people live that aren’t in metropolitan areas and see the value of that and learn about community and connecting with animals. And so I feel really lucky that I got to have a little bit of both.โ€ โ€“Whitney Cummings

As Whitney attended college and reached her twenties, much of her coping mechanisms from her younger years began to surface. Like most young people her age, she was trying to discover who she was apart from her family and her circumstances. 

โ€œI wasted my twenties really, and nothing’s a waste, but unconsciously, I was trying so hard to control other people. My subconscious brain was working so hard to figure out ways to make myself feel safe and to avoid abandonment, rejection, and criticism. And as a result, I found that desperate energy is repellent. The more we want something, when we push something, we push it away.โ€œ โ€“Whitney Cummings

This realization came through many years of therapy, counseling, 12-step programs, and education on neurology that taught Whitney so much about herself, her habits, and the choices she can make each day in order to achieve greatness. This also inspired her to produce the movie, โ€œThe Female Brain.โ€

โ€œI was really ready to release my character defects and put down all the weapons that I needed when I was a kid because I was carrying around a lot of armor and a lot of weapons that worked great then, but werenโ€™t needed now.โ€ โ€“Whitney Cummings

Even though Whitney has succeeded greatly in her career, some of the biggest achievements to her are the โ€œsmall thingsโ€ in life, like learning how to handle a conflict with grace, listening to someone who is wrong, or trying not to control someone elseโ€™s behavior.

Now that she is a producer and has multiple employees, she has had to learn how to let go of those tendencies. 

โ€œThe hardest thing for me is to be able to be in a relationship with someone whether thatโ€™s a working or romantic relationship, and to not try to control their behavior, opinions, or neurology, and to be able to tolerate the discomfort of others.โ€ โ€“Whitney Cummings

She sees it as getting an inner โ€œsoftware update.โ€ Circumstances may have changed, but her brain had stayed the same. That psychological software update was really just acclimating to her new life circumstances and allowing herself to be open to change and improvement. She just wants to be the best version of herself possibleโ€”and make people laugh in the process. 

Words of Wisdom

At the end of my interviews, I always ask my interviewees about their three biggest truths in life. If they could leave three pieces of wisdom behind, what would they be?

It was a hilarious and somewhat uncomfortable process for Whitney when I asked her this question, and we ended up with quite a few truths, so hereโ€™s her list. There are some great nuggets in here:

  1. No one owes you anything and you donโ€™t owe anyone anything.
  2. Kindness and forgiveness can fix anything.
  3. The way you treat others is a reflection of how you feel about yourself. 
  4. You donโ€™t forgive others because they deserve forgiveness, you forgive others because you deserve peace. 
  5. Mistakes can be where the magic is.
  6. You can be a mess and still have success.

Why You Should Listen to This Whitney Cummings Podcast Episode Right Now…

If you found value in what Whitney and I talked about today, please tag Whitney Cummings and me, Lewis Howes, on Instagram with your key takeaways. Please also go to Apple Podcasts, give it a five-star rating, and donโ€™t forget to subscribe!

I always ask my guests about their definition of greatness at the end of each interview and this is what Whitney had to say:

โ€œMy definition of greatness would be excellence and authenticity. Itโ€™s about leaving an imprint on someone in a real way where they leave your presence a better person. Greatness isnโ€™t martyrdomโ€”itโ€™s leading by example.โ€ โ€“Whitney Cummings

If youโ€™re ready to learn about overcoming your past, staying creative, and having a lot of good laughs, you can check out the entire podcast here. You can also browse the entire library of podcasts on The School of Greatness! Until next time!

To Greatness,

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Some Questions I Ask:

  • When did you realize you were good at stand up? (6:30)
  • What are you most proud of? (29:00)
  • Who was more influential growing up- mom or dad? (51:00)
  • How do you deal with the Hollywood ups and downs? (1:06:00)

In this episode, you will learn:

  • Why we should forgive our parents (20:00)
  • How anxiety can help you (27:00)
  • How to change the type of people youโ€™re attracted to (36:00)
  • Why your relationship needs to be โ€œboringโ€ (41:30)
  • The difference between interdependence and codependency (48:00)
  • Why financial freedom is important to Whitney (1:00:00)
  • About PC culture and stand up comedy (1:33:00)
  • Plus much more…
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