EP. 1995

10/19/26

Dr. Patric Gagne

“I think relying on constructs like shame, guilt, remorse, or God, if those are the things you’re relying on to keep you in line, it’s a self-damning argument.”

Psychopathy Isn't Evil: What Psychopaths Really Feel | Dr. Patric Gagne

People with psychopathy still feel, just differently from everyone around them.

Dr. Patric Gagne, a diagnosed sociopath who went on to earn a doctorate and work as a therapist, sat down with Lewis and told the story she tells in Sociopath: A Memoir. As a kid she learned that saying “I don’t care” out loud got her in trouble, so she lied, and lying made her feel safe.

She talks about the pressure she called a vice, which she relieved by breaking into homes just to sit in the quiet, and the first grade day she stabbed a classmate with a pencil. Then she explains why secondary psychopathy, which may touch 5% of people, is treatable when kids get caught early.

You will hear why a therapist who doesn’t absorb your pain can be the best container for it, and why stopping someone from crying can stop the brain from healing. She also gets into the shame under people pleasing and narcissism, and the question she asks her own kids: how does it feel when you feel?

You may come away a little gentler with the people you never understood, and with the kid you used to be.

Sociopath: A Memoir

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“I find it really fascinating how easy it is to vilify an entire category of people simply because you can't empathize with them.” – Dr. Patric Gagne
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And now let’s jump into episode 1995 of The School of Greatness!

Some Questions I Ask:

  • When you grew up, you didn’t have the ability to care that someone else was feeling pain?
  • Is it possible for psychopaths to actually change?
  • Do you still consider yourself a sociopath?
  • How do you cope now?
  • What is the key to overcoming the people pleaser disease that a lot of people have?
  • What if someone’s not good with themselves, though?
  • Why is it so hard for human beings to sit with other people’s emotions when something traumatic or challenging happens in their lives?

In this episode, you will learn:

  • Become a calm container for someone’s pain without needing to empathize
  • Raise emotionally aware kids through boundaries, apologies and positive reinforcement instead of punishment
  • Learn why awareness is 80% of the work in changing destructive patterns
  • Discover why psychopaths can feel emotion and what actually separates them from everyone else
  • Spot the warning signs of sociopathy in dating, relationships and business partnerships
  • Break free from people pleasing by choosing honesty over curated, falsified emotions
  • Plus much more…
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