EP. 713

10/31/18

Robert Greene

The key to life is relationships.

Master the Laws of Human Nature

Have you ever wanted to become influential and achieve something great? 

Our influence over others often determines our ability to accomplish what we want. If you have a dream that you want to achieve, you’re going to have to work with other people. Lacking the ability to work with others effectively can be detrimental. 

In order to develop the skills to work with other people and influence them to help us, we need to better understand human nature. 

My guest today, Robert Greene, knows all about human nature. His most recent work The Laws of Human Nature covers a wide range of human characteristics that are important to understand if we want to obtain success. We can tap into these characteristics to better understand people and ourselves.

If you want to learn how to become influential and do something great, read on!

Who Is Robert Greene?

Robert Greene studied at U.C. Berkley, and he received a degree in classical studies from the University of Wisconsin at Madison. 

Robert published his first book The 48 Laws of Power at the age of 36 and has since become one of our generation’s most influential writers. He’s responsible for several inventive successes, including The 33 Strategies of War, The 50th Law, Mastery, The Art of Seduction, and his most recent work The Laws of Human Nature

His works are widely praised by a variety of sources, including war historians and acclaimed musicians. Several of his books appeared on the New York Times bestseller list. Robert was also featured in the first episode of School of Greatness, so please check out that interview after hearing this one! 

I am incredibly pleased to have him back on the program to discuss human nature and its role in success. Robert is a brilliant man and an ingenious author. His insights into the human mind in terms of our emotions and beliefs are honestly groundbreaking. I cannot wait for you to hear what he has to say — it will truly change your life!

How Our Insecurities Can Motivate Us

Robert explained how even though he’s created many helpful and thought-provoking books, his hard work actually sprang from deep-rooted insecurities:

“The source of my insecurity is I kind of have a desire to please people to impress them … self-doubt [is] where you’re trying to please people, and maybe you go a little extra hard. So in that sense, compensating for your insecurities in that way can be a positive thing. So my insecurity by itself could destroy me, in that I would never get the effort up to … write a book or do something.” – Robert Greene

Robert puts his energy in trying to connect with people and impressing them through his incredible writing. Even though self-doubt plagues him, he’s successfully used his insecurities to create something great. We need to use our fears to motivate us rather than let it hinder us from achieving something awesome!

“A lot of young people have this problem. They have a negative attitude where they, they think that ‘Well if I don’t do anything … at least I won’t fail’… if you don’t try too hard, you’re never going to fail. You’re never going to have the pain of failure. So that’s the negative side of insecurity, but it can also motivate you to try even harder to actually get work done, and to make it something really great.” – Robert Greene

In what areas of your life do you have insecurities? How can you turn those insecurities into strengths? Don’t let the fear of failure block you from accomplishing something great. Instead, use the fear to move yourself forward!

Determining the Quality of a Person’s Character

One of the many topics Robert discusses in his book The Laws of Human Nature is understanding the strengths of a person’s character. Determining the strength of a person’s character is essential in choosing to associate with that person — whether in a professional or social capacity. Robert describes character as the primary value of a person.

“It’s who they are at their core. It creates patterns of behavior that they can’t even really control. It’s who they are, genetically. It’s who they are from the early eyes of their parents. So you want to connect to that. You want to see that. It’s not immediately visible to you because people will disguise their character. You want to see that, and you want to value it more than anything else.” – Robert Greene

It’s essential that when we associate with someone, we evaluate them for their character above all else. Character isn’t a personality mask they show to the world. Like Robert said, character is “who they are at their core.” So when we catch a glimpse of that, we understand who someone truly is rather than what they appear to be. 

“So you want people who are adaptable, who can be fluid, who aren’t weak … who have an inner strength and a core to them, but they can bend. They can learn. They can adapt. They can change. You want to see people who are empathetic…” – Robert Greene

How can you detect someone’s character? You can tell the strength of someone’s character based on their actions rather than the flattering disguise that they put on. Any person can appear to be someone else through the words they say, but actions don’t lie. 

“You want to be able to look at people’s patterns and look at their past and see trends and understand that if they’ve done certain things in the past, they will continue to do them because we humans have compulsive behavior. We are compelled to repeat the same mistakes over and over and over again.” – Robert Greene

I asked Robert if there’s a way to overcome our patterns and improve our character. He said that the first thing we can do is develop self-awareness to recognize our harmful patterns and behaviors so that we can begin to change our patterns.

In what ways can you improve your character? Do you have any bad patterns — such as frequent anger or impatience — that are harmful to others? Recognize your damaging actions so that you can begin to move towards change and strengthen your character. While character is at your core being, you can take steps to improve it for the better. 

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Believing in Our Success

A crucial part of our success is developing the right attitude and believing in our ability to succeed. Robert and I discussed the significant impact that belief plays in our lives: 

“So they have this thing called ‘the Pygmalion effect.’ Teachers who treat a student as if they are smart and going to do well, those students end up doing well. Right? So how you treat people, how you think about yourself has a great impact on what happens to you.” – Robert Greene

Our attitude is essential for both believing in ourselves and having others believe in you. On The School of Greatness, we often talk about how having the right mindset is an essential part of success. Negative thinking breeds negativity, while positive thinking breeds action and positivity.

“If you go through life thinking, ‘God, I’m not really that good, you know, there’s something wrong with me … I don’t deserve to have a lot of success or to have a lot of money.’ People read that off of you … So when somebody feels that they don’t deserve things, it’s kind of an off-putting quality in them. And it pushes people away. So you create self-fulfilling dynamics by how you look at yourself and your attitude.” – Robert Greene

Robert describes our interactions with others as “enrolling” them, meaning that we’re either enrolling them in our visions or un-enrolling them. Every interaction we have, we are either positively or negatively influencing people into participating in our goals. Your vision might have something to do with a dream company, and you’re attempting to persuade investors. Or it could involve growing your social life, and you’re trying to enroll people into being your friend. 

If you don’t believe in yourself, then it’s going to be significantly harder to have other people believe in you. Believing in yourself is essential for persuading others to invest in your dreams. 

Learning How to Persuade People

Another essential component for persuasion is becoming a good listener. Robert observed that the main obstruction people face when attempting to develop their listening skills is being more interested in themselves than other people.

“The truth is you’re more interested in your own thoughts and your own ideas, things that you’re so certain about your own experiences than about that other person and what they’re saying, and what’s going on inside them. If you can flip that around; if you can actually feel the motivation to get … inside … [their] head in … [their] experience, then you will suddenly become a better listener.” – Robert Greene

Listening to people and making a conscious effort to understand them is essential for success. People who only listen to themselves are NOT the people you want to be friends with, start a business with, or invest in. 

“… the key to success in life is people … if you’re terrible with people, your life is going to be hell. So are you motivated to become somebody supremely skilled at understanding and working with people.” – Robert Greene 

We must develop our people-skills by genuinely trying to understand them. Think about a time someone genuinely listened to you. Did you feel kinder toward that person? Did you want to invest in them the next time they need help? You’ll feel more inclined to help that person or have a personal or professional relationship with them. 

Another key to persuasion is understanding how emotions and moods are contagious. We influence others by our energy rather than our words. Here’s how Robert explains that phenomenon: 

“Our moods are extremely contagious. And so you can persuade people more through infecting them with your mood than through your words. True words are not necessarily the best means of influence … So it’s a whole language that you need to master is how your moods infect other people. And I tell people, experiment with that. Normally with this one person, you’re locked in a dynamic where you always are kind of reacting the same way. Try next time approaching them with a completely different mood, think something differently about them.” – Robert Greene

If you think of someone as exciting rather than boring, then you’ll shift your energy towards that person, and they will respond differently to your new energy. You’re more likely to enroll people if you make them feel good, so you need to develop contagious, positive energy!  

Finding Your Purpose 

An essential part of your success and overall happiness is overcoming aimlessness and finding your purpose. Robert observed the inherent difficulty we have as humans when it comes to overcoming aimlessness:

“The problem for human beings is, you know, an animal, a cat or a dog, they don’t have to wake up in the morning and decide what they’re going to do, right? … Their life is sort of programmed. … We humans don’t have that kind of programming. We are not given any kind of natural guidance in life. We could wake up, and we could not go to work tomorrow. We could suddenly do whatever we want if we felt so inclined. So we have to create our own sense of purpose, and that purpose can’t come from the outside. … So the trick in life is figuring out what you were meant to do.” – Robert Greene

We aren’t meant to live programmed, aimless lives. Every person is unique, and we need to let our uniqueness determine our purpose.

“You are different. You have something very unique about you. That uniqueness exists for a purpose. If you follow that, if you use your uniqueness in some way, you will create something probably pretty interesting and pretty great … Your uniqueness is your source of power.

The further you deviate from that uniqueness, the weaker you will become. You will become like other people.” – Robert Greene

We often feel a pressure to be like everybody else, but if you don’t engage your own passions, then you’ll live a passionless life. Robert experienced this firsthand, when he used his unique perspective and writing style to write The 48 Laws of Power — which broke traditional stylistic and structural conventions. 

“You can hate The 48 Laws of Power, but you can honestly [say that] no one has ever written a book like that. The structure with the stories, the sections, the quotes, the things on the side. And I got a lot of grief for that. The publishers go, ‘I don’t think this will work. We want you to change it. We want it to be more like other books.’ And so I stuck to my guns, and I said, ‘No, I’m going to go down sinking with who I am. If this works, it’s because I’m weird, and I’m unique.’ And it succeeded.” – Robert Greene

Robert embraced his uniqueness and created something great rather than compromising his vision, and so can you! How are you unique, and how can you use it to do something great? Harness your uniqueness, and do something amazing with your life!

Why You Should Listen to this Robert Greene Podcast Episode Right Now… 

Here’s the bottom line: mastering the laws of human nature is essential for succeeding. If we understand those around us and ourselves, we can accomplish something great. Believe in yourself and embrace what makes you you

I found Robert’s definition of greatness absolutely incredible: 

“By knowing the laws of human nature, you can begin to explore a little bit further out and become something a little bit more. You can take your irrational nature and become more reasonable and rational. Well, going and pushing a little bit past your limits and expanding like a balloon. Just a little further. That’s greatness to me. Not accepting, but moving past your own limits.” – Robert Greene 

To learn more wisdom from Robert Greene, pick up his new book The Laws of Human Nature. It will completely change your life. I cannot stress enough how thought-provoking and informative his work is. Also check out his website Power, Seduction, & War, as well as his Instagram (@robertgreeneofficial) and Twitter (RobertGreene). 

Friends, find your unique purpose, and enroll other people into helping you make that purpose happen! We can’t do anything truly great alone. 

 

To Greatness,

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Some Questions I Ask:

  • What is your biggest insecurity? (11:38)
  • Is there value in detaching from our emotions? (12:51)
  • How do we understand the strength of someone’s character? (20:28)
  • How do we break harmful patterns? (24:10)
  • What are ways we sabotage ourselves? (28:17)
  • What does it mean to “infect people with the proper mood”? (45:36)
  • How do you make people want to follow you? (1:16:33)

In this episode, you will learn:

    • How self-doubt can actually help you (13:42)
    • The most important thing to think about when hiring someone (21:06)
    • What it means to have strength of character (22:11)
    • How the Pygmalion Effect can help you succeed (31:51)
    • How to become a Master Persuader (36:13)
    • The key to becoming a better listener (37:14)
    • The importance of body language (43:35)
    • What makes someone a successful seducer (48:57)
    • The number one need that humans have (56:17)
    • How to find your passion (1:15:05)
    • Plus much more…

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