Why Play is the New Hustle in Business with Charlie Hoehn


Our next guest has worked with some of the greatest authors of the last decade. New York Times bestsellers like Tim Ferriss, Seth Godin, Ramit Sethi and Tucker Max.

During that time he has been a part of some of the most successful book launches ever.

However, as he was achieving “success” he found himself in massive breakdown and had to dig his way out.  On this episode of the the School of Greatness, our guest teaches us from personal experience, how to succeed in the new work world while letting go of all the stress and anxiety from the long work hours.

Welcome to episode fifty two with Charlie Hoehn.

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“Life isn’t about success and prestige, it’s about connection”

In This Episode, You Will Learn:

  • What it was like working with Seth Godin, Tim Ferriss and others
  • How they created a couple million dollars in a few days
  • What it’s like to miss the “Happiness Play”
  • How what didn’t fit became the driving force of the future
  • The importance of play in the workplace
  • How to build meaningful relationships
  • Step-by-step strategies for building a guilt-free life
  • The beautiful story behind the cover for Play it Away
  • Plus much more…

“Play slips you into flow”

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How are you currently feeling?  Are you tired at the end of the day, drained, and feeling like you don’t want to work the next day?  If so, you may need a dose of play in your life (or many doses).  How much do you play each day and each week?  Is it only on the weekends or do you allow yourself to play during the “work day” as well?  Share your thoughts in the comments below.  

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Latecomer, just listened to this episode.  It took me 5 years and a few career coaches to figure this out.  Doubt and fear creep up again now and then, and this is a great (and timeline) reminder that curiosity, play and joy are a happy path.


Sheeeesh, this was incredibly timely for me!!

Vulnerability..... Tough gig, but the quickest way for me to get clear on my own hearts truth, which in turns helps find purpose / direction... and guilt free play is 110% where happiness is at, keeping me inspired for my work!

Walking through this now, and starting fresh with what 'lights me up' after finding myself owning / running an events company long after I didn't actually want to be there anymore.

Thanks for your honesty Charlie, and great interview Lewis!!

Steve Daar
Steve Daar

Listened to you on James Altucher's podcast & loved your interview with James. Just subscribed & listened to this with Charlie. 

Great stuff --  crux of the interview for me was around 44:10 when you talked about play slipping you into flow & helps you surrender completely to the present moment. 

Experiencing that flow daily through play can help you transport the same 'skill' to other parts of your day when you aren't playing. Picking up Charlie's book now.

- Steve 


When I click on the Charlie Hoehn episode on iTunes, it plays the Marc Fitt interview. Might want to check that out. Thanks for the great content, Lewis!


@LewisHowes all good thanks - watching the Olympic curling! - sent u a message on FB about how all LinkedIn members can post blog content

Dr. Isaiah Hankel
Dr. Isaiah Hankel

There's not one piece of scientific evidence showing that people who have fun are less ambitious, less serious about their work, or less successful in general. But there's a lot of data showing that  people who play are more creative and live longer.  

Acting serious doesn’t mean you’re working harder or are more competent – it just means you’re not enjoying yourself.

Thanks for another great interview Lewis. 

Steve Hamel
Steve Hamel

Downloaded just in time for my flight...great subject as this snow in NYC is preventing my flight I sunny and warm Florida from taking off on time :)


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